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nathalie @nathaliedacosta 4 years, 4 months ago

touchy subject, indeed

think about this: how would you go about enforcing an “abortion in the case of rape only” policy.

theoretically you can advocate whatever individual moral standard you like, but in terms of the law, you really need to be either pro-life or pro-choice. theres no “ifs” and “buts” without a lot of time, money, and personnel getting wasted on useless (and very personal) investigations.

         
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Brock Heubusch @brock 4 years, 4 months ago

Wow… where to start

Death penalty: I honestly can’t say I agree with it. It’s an eye-for-an-eye remnant from ages past of unenlightened societies where the sole purpose is to exact vengeance for a perceived wrong. Being that we have exonerated hundreds of death row inmates with DNA evidence or additional information that has come to light amidst the appeals process, I don’t think it’s fair to say we should.

Prison crowding: the U.S. has double the per capita population in jail at over 2%. The next highest country is at 1%. It is because we persecute non-violent drug offenders and put them in jail instead of rehab. Once they go to prison, they have to join a gang to survive–where they ultimately commit more crimes. A harmless pothead often comes out a hardened gangster 5-10 years later… commits more crimes, goes right back in.

Abortion: Point 1– I know I’ll never convince you of this, but accidents happen. Even when using proper protection. These accidents can totally ruin peoples’ lives… cause them to drop out of college, force them away from their families, and lead them to financial ruin. Also, there are enough people in the world. I commend those who choose NOT to have kids (especially if they’re outright stupid).

Point 2– It’s not your body, it’s not your business. It might be against your religious principles, you might not agree with it, and you might not choose what many women do when put into that situation… but it doesn’t mean you have any right to decide for them. Circumstances are unique. And the freedom of choice is one of the many values that makes this country great.

         
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Chase Knudsen @chaseknuts 4 years, 4 months ago

@Brock Heubusch, Oh no I can see your point very clearly. Really I am limited in knowledge on these two topics. I was mostly looking for more points that I can understand. I m not looking to swayed one way or another, I am looking just for insight so that I can have a full position. Thanks a lot for what you’ve said. I really appreciate your insight.

I am leaning towards pro-choice all around and have always thought of it being your body–your business type of principle.

As for the death penalty I have to still understand why we see fit for the eye for an eye bit but I was just saying as a whole that if someone gets sentenced to it that they should just do it instead of spend tax dollars for the next 20 years and then they get the death penalty. I still don’t know as to what my moral grounds stand on the issue as well. I’m ignorant there trying to learn more.

Thanks again.

         
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Brock Heubusch @brock 4 years, 4 months ago

I definitely had no emotional investment in that approach, and I appreciate what you’re saying. It seems you have a very balanced approach to learning.

I’m a libertarian, so that might give you some insight as to why my views are what they are. You will solidify your own in time obviously, but it’s definitely a personal journey. Best of luck.

         
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Brock Heubusch @brock 4 years, 4 months ago

also I am ambivalent about the death penalty at times … consolation of victims families is important too, regardless of the eye for an eye thing. If someone killed one of my family members I would without hesitation end their life mercilessly. So I really don’t know what to say about that. Still formulating my own opinions I guess.

         
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Chase Knudsen @chaseknuts 4 years, 4 months ago

Yeah totally! I’m also a libertarian, but there are a few things in our system that I am either A) ignorant on or B) Lack understanding to complete form. For the most part I know what I believe and what I think is right as it pertains to our constitution.

It’s just hard to decide when people who (like you said) go through these things on a personal level. Cause when we go through it on a personal level our actions and thoughts are almost always subdued by the situation at hand. It’s not as black and white as we all hope it could be; definitely a lot of gray.

         
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Two Cents @twocents 4 years, 3 months ago

I’m just wondering. Is it really that hard to not get pregnant these days ladies? With the latest coming out of Texas regarding Rick Perry and the Republican bill to close down abortion clinics, people that oppose the bill are saying that Republicans are hurting women by restricting their reproductive rights. Regardless of how you feel about abortion being legal or illegal, is it really that important to be able to have an abortion? Why not just NOT get pregnant? Our government provides funding to clinics like planned parenthood so that you can get free condoms, free birth control, etc. So why is this HURTING women to not be able to have an abortion. I would argue that our education is hurting women if they think the only way to not get pregnant and have a child that would be economically burdening is by having the right to abort it. Come on people, prevention not abortion. Get with the program.

         
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Fred Hernandez @fredh 4 years, 3 months ago

The death penalty as it is today does not work. It allows for too many appeals, etc. It should be carried out with in a year for those who are definitely proven guilty and for those who are found guilty of heinous crimes. China just executed a top party official for raping 11 girls…. I totally agree with his punishment!
Abortion… I am pro-life and believe nature intended every baby to be born. The word abortion says it all. But as a libertarian I do not see how we go around forcing women to do anything. Republicans in Texas and other states that are restricting abortion are not offering women any support or help. How about a birth box like in Finland? How about diapers or child care? Those of us that believe in life should do more to CONVINCE (not force) women that having their baby is a better choice than terminating it. Churches, and other groups should be involved so a woman can complete her education or go to work, etc. And I agree with 2Cents… both men and women need to behave like adults and be more responsible for their actions.

         
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Julia Wotten @juliaw 4 years, 3 months ago

@fredh if murder is wrong, then we shouldn’t murder even as punishment for murder. And as to your comment that death penalties should be carried out in a year… what if that person deserves an appeal? What if they were wrongly convicted? A year is not enough time to prove their innocence or show how a jury wrongly convicted them. Either way I am against the death penalty. It costs more to lethally inject someone than to keep them in prison for life. Furthermore, trials in which prosecutors seek the death penalty, tax payers foot the bill for up to a million dollars more on average than when prosecutors seek life without parole. Just saying, from a cost perspective and a moral perspective the death penalty is wrong.

@fredh I agree with your statement on abortion. I am pro life myself but I can respect when someone doesnt believe it the governments job to tell a woman what to do with her health. I also agree that women need more choices and more support. @TwoCents yes it is difficult to not get pregnant when you come from an extremely uneducated background and do not have access or finances to gain access to birth control, condoms, etc. Or you do not have a car to drive to planned parenthood (because there are not enough of them in the US). Also, its pretty hard to prevent getting pregnant when you are sexually raped against your will.

         

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