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Aivis Aston @aivaston 5 years ago

Exactly, Taliban should be involved in all negotiations, for they are the missing piece in Afghan security. If Afghanistan wants peace, it has to represent all people, an by including Taliban it shall do that. If not, we will see that all the rebel groups that the US is supporting now, will turn against Washington.

         
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Julia Wotten @juliaw 5 years ago

@aivaston I agree. Like it or not, the Taliban is a part of Afghan culture and society. They have many members and supporters. If we exclude them from negotiations it will only make them more angry and their followers will feel more isolated. They need a seat at the table to maintain appearances that we are willing to negotiate.

         
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Gary @grand-vizier 5 years ago

As predicted after the 9/11 attack and we told the Taiban not to protect Osama Bin Laden,the Taliban correctly figured out we would come after them, get bored with the effort and after a few years ,slink away in the night.
I thought the same thing. Going into Afganistan was never going to work.Period. Genghis Kahn is as far as I know the only leader to conquer Afganistan,using methods so harsh we cannot dream of emulating them.
If he had the means he would have,after they declined unconditional surrender cheerfully killed every man, woman, child, dog and every other living thing as a warning to any who dared resist him.
He conquered the known world that way.
If we were not prepared to emulate him ( no one would) we should never have gone there. Ask the British or the Russians.
This emphaticly does not mean we should negotiate with them and look like greater fools than we already are.
Just leave and forget them. If they attack us later ( and no signed treaty will prevent that if they decide to) decide what to do then. That’s what we will have to do anyway so why put anything on the table now? That’s just stupid.
Leave,let them keep fighting each other. Let them starve. Don’t try to educate them so they have better ways to kill us,they have enough Ideas about that already.
Definitely don’t send them money or weapons so they have more means to kill us with.

         
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Aivis Aston @aivaston 5 years ago

Gary, indeed, I’m with you on this. However, between the US-Agghan talks, Taliban should be present. Negotiation does not mean you have to give up something to gain something, but do not expect to gain something by force/threats/bullying.
This would apply more to Afghan-Taliban talks about government and the future leadership of Afghanistan.

         
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Gary @grand-vizier 5 years ago

Alvis,
What porpoise is served to negotiate with them at all?
I think we just forget about them.
If,in the future they bear some relevance to our interests we can talk to them then.
Why hurry?
Whenever we have “Talks”we seem to need to send money.
Lets stay home and have a beer instead.

         

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