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Pete Johnson @petejohnsoniv 4 years, 10 months ago

I know I am probably in the majority with my opinion on the matter but I feel like I usually am anyways so screw it. First and foremost I don’t believe that this Snowden should be persecuted but I do believe what he did was wrong. When the government “monitors” the phone records they have specific algorithms that look for suspicious activity. So to people who say that this is an unnecessary use of our security budget I say to them, it’s not expensive to develop an algorithm that can quickly go over millions of calls and other data to identify suspicious activity. Second, if you have nothing to hide what are you really worried about? Do you really think this nation will ever let people be persecuted for their political beliefs? The only people that should be worried about this are the ones that are engaging in crimes and have things to hide. The government isn’t concerned with our every day whereabouts and insignificant conversations we have, I still truly believe they are using this information for the greater good of the country. Next, who gives a shit if Obama has ordered national security leaders to compile a list of potential overseas “adversaries” for US cyber-attacks which could be targeted. A good commander always plans ahead and is a few steps ahead of his enemies. Do you not think our military has a list of the possible targets for our missiles? People need to realize that we are moving into a different day and age where we are under more scrutiny and that we are being watched more. Don’t broadcast personal things you don’t want other people knowing on the internet, it can always be found. I am going to go out on a branch and say that not too many of us complained when the Patriot Act was put into effect so learn to live with the consequences. We are living in an increasingly dangerous world and I firmly believe our government is doing the best job it can to protect its citizens. Stop pointing fingers and figure it out.

         
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Pete Johnson @petejohnsoniv 4 years, 10 months ago

and i just realized that during my rant i used persecuted instead of prosecuted so forgive me for that haha

         
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Jordan Bosstick @jordanbosstick 4 years, 10 months ago

Something I have to point out is that societies do not change over night. You are not free one day, and slaves the next. Societies change through gradualism. Its one bad policy, followed by another, followed by another, over many years. And finally you are somewhere you never expected to be. Think of this: At the time the Patriot Act became legislation, Democrats warned it would be abused, Republicans argued we needed it to keep us safe, that it would not be abused. Today, it is being abused, and citizens are being watched. People today, are actually accepting the fact that we live in an age with zero privacy. The government can store your information, and people are okay with this. Now they have your information, well what if tomorrow, or in a year, or in 10 years, the government implements another bad policy, and decides that they can target people for crimes committed in the past? Or for having a different ideology than the party in power (not unlike the IRS and EPA unfairly targeting conservative groups), will have the means and information to do who knows what to the individuals that are considered a threat. The point is, that just a few years ago, the public was against the Patriot Act for fear it would be abused. Now it is being abused, and people are accepting it. This is how a society changes, people accept their government’s actions because its just one more bad policy. But how many more times will we accept government intrusion through bad policy into our lives? In 20 years, or 50 years, where will we be?

Regarding Snowden, he broke a law. And I wonder about the National Security Implications. Real terrorists, now know one of the means we collect information and monitor them. However, the public does have a right to know what is going on. Terrorists will now use other means to transfer information and we will have to adapt the way we monitor them, if we can figure out how they are doing it. I am torn on this. I do not want our government having more power over us, however I believe there is a serious threat to the world regarding terrorism, not just in America but all over the globe.

One more thing: I think everyone should pay attention to who exactly denounced the Patriot Act, and is now accepting it because their party is in power. And also, who lobbied for the Patriot Act, and is now denouncing it, because their party is not in the White House. It is a great time to see which politicians are actually principled, rather than just going along with their party. And a great time to see exactly how much politicians lie and get away with it!

         
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nathalie @nathaliedacosta 4 years, 10 months ago

excellent point about the politics behind the patriot act @jordanbosstick

@petejohnsoniv , i agree, & i support preparations for cyber attacks…

the chances of attack from such an “adversary” are pretty slim …but cyberspace could be the United States’ most vulnerable front & the ability to launch powerful counterattacks is basically the mutually assured destruction of the internet. the whole thing may not be ideal, but its necessary.

         
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Two Cents @twocents 4 years, 10 months ago

I definitely agree that cyberspace is our most vulnerable front @nathaliedacosta and @Petejohnsoniv. We need to do more to protect ourselves from cyber attacks. Isn’t it interesting how we’ve been using our advanced technology to monitor countries all around the world for quite a long time, and now that it is happening to us we view it as intrusive and dangerous? I wonder if other countries felt violated or like at any time we might use our intel against them to invade their country. Oh how the tables have turned. Now we have both terrorism, and cyber terrorism. I argue we must protect ourselves on all fronts, but not by storing American’s information. The question really is whether you trust your government or not. If you trust your government as Pete said he did, you have no problem with them collecting information about you because you dont think they would ever use it or become abusive. If you do not trust your government, you fear that they will eventually turn on you and use that information against you to define you as a terrorist. It is naive to think this could not happen, it has happened in many, many nations before us. Look at the government’s actions today: The IRS targeting specific political groups, the EPA targeted specific political groups, our government was running guns to the Mexican cartel and LIED about it during Fast and Furious, our government may have been smuggling guns through the Benghazi consulate, where 4 Americans died. They lied and said the attack on our consulate was over a video, when it obviously was a planned terrorist attack on 9/11/12. During the hearings of these events, which I encourage everyone to watch to see how just how comfortable your government officials are with lying to you, our public servicemen plead the 5th, simply say they don’t know, or they cannot recall. Or they don’t have all the facts. They lie straight to our faces, but because most Americans watch the news rather than the actual hearings, they get it in soundbites and don’t see the full ridiculousness of these people in positions of power. I do watch these hearings, and I do see these people for who they are, and I DO NOT TRUST MY GOVERNMENT.

         
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Julia Wotten @juliaw 4 years, 10 months ago

I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about. If you aren’t doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide. I understand people fear the government, but this is America, I really doubt we the people will allow our government to become tyrannical. As @PeteJohnsoniv said no one is going to be prosecuted for their political beliefs, thats just right wing paranoia getting the best of you.

Regarding Snowden, I do think he should be prosecuted because he broke the law and went against our national security. Thats great that he thought he was doing the public a favor by letting them know their information was being stored, but he could be considered an enemy of the state because he is basically helping terrorism.

         
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John PharmD @epharmd 4 years, 10 months ago

@julia-wowsy Did you really say this? “If you aren’t doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide.”

Wow. That is one of the most un-American things ever. Do you really want to live in a law enforcement world based on that notion? Not me.

         
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Brian @irie-brian 4 years, 10 months ago

If the government knows everything we are saying, there should not be anything wrong if we know everything they are doing. “This is a government of and for the people”, is it not? Shouldn’t we the people know how we are choosing to govern ourself? I know there is some classified information that could hurt military goals or national security if released to the public, however knowing that we are being watched is not a leak of information that should be classified or really imposes any actual threat to “the people’s” or even the nations security. To me it seems the biggest threat to our security is having someone intruding it by monitoring an individuals conversations.

         

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