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nina anakar @ninaanakar 7 years, 5 months ago

@John_H_H good quesiton but I don’t know that there is an answer… maybe we should just let China continue what they’re doing and not impose our imperialism on them as we’ve done in so many other countries. In other words, it can’t be the US that does anything to make China change. It has to be a world effort or compromise, and if the UN can’t come to agreement I’m not sure where we’d start…

As you said… if there are no consequences what will change?

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nathalie @nathaliedacosta 7 years, 5 months ago

To be honest, I don’t think that there is much to be done.

China is not a democracy and it is not run the same way that the United States and other UN members are.
 I believe that in order to be successful, China will have to adopt a system that is more open to free trade and supportive of citizens’ efforts toward innovation, or it will fail as an international superpower. Let time run its course. China will either comply with the UN, or it will face the natural consequences. There isn’t much we can do to speed up the process. We dictate a system, and if China continues to carefully evade both international law as well as the demands of its citizens, it will eventually cease to thrive within it.

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James L. Riggs @jlriggs57aol-com 7 years, 4 months ago

As it stands right now we can do nothing in getting China to change anything. Our politicians have got us so indebted to China that if we so much as frown at them they could call in our debt and since we have no way of paying it off we would be in serious trouble. The first thing we need to do is stop borrowing from any country to run ours. The next thing we need to do is stop spending more than we make, simple economics.

Now if we could get ourselves out from under their thumb, their are things we could do to show that we do not agree with their policies. Together with the U.N. we could put a ban on any product coming out of China. We could also refuse to export anything to them.

Economic pressure is typically the best way to send a clear message that we do not approve of your actions and we are willing to take you off the economic grid to show our disapproval. We do not have the right to go into their country and force democracy on them. If there is an issue of human rights, then it needs to be fixed by it’s citizens in whatever way they can, it’s not our place to change the country through force. Having said that, I feel we would be well within our rights to show our disapproval by shutting down any trade with them.

This is just one way we could get them to rethink their position, I’m sure there are others.

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Aivis Aston @aivaston 7 years, 4 months ago

China is an independent, sovereign state. Thus I doubt that the US, or any other state can really make China conform to anything, unless of course it would be in their interest. Right now, it is in no-ones interests to lose the support (or the neutrality of China) for everyone is dependent on her.

For China to change, the domestic politics ought to be changed. As the UN, or any other international organisation, does not have the power to reinforce the resolutions, mo one can force China to do something. It is not like the US, UK or any other big power are fully following the international law.

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kimberly @ladylibertarian 7 years, 4 months ago

The only way I can personally see China conforming is through government realization that the amount of products produced/created in their country is declining. China is now wanting to import american pork becuase the chinese themselves don’t even trust their own country’s food.

One of the major problems with China is that it has had the same cultural rulings for thousands of years. They’re one of the oldest civilizations around, and are thus very proud of how things are run there. Unfortunately, lying repeatedly to consumers around the world (ex: real estate sales) only make things worse for them. Investors are afraid of how quickly their investments can sour if things are proven corrupt, but due to its enormous impact on production and import/export people will always be willing to invest there in hopes that they can get out first.

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Isabelle Granter @issabell 7 years, 4 months ago

lets not forget that China is about as dependent on us as we are on them!!

Who do you think buys Chinese products? Where do you think their exports go?
actual Chinese consumerism is extremely low, especially because the country’s wealth is concentrated in several powerful hands — there isn’t as much of a domestic market.

Chinese companies also have a very difficult time marketing themselves in the way that US ones do. They can’t brand themselves like US companies, and they are not nearly as innovative. This lack of creativity will undoubtedly catch up with Chinese economic growth.

so it is in China’s best interest to remain on good terms throughout the UN, and especially with the united states. Cyber warfare will only get them so far. Internal pressure from citizens will also increase the likelihood of greater Chinese cooperation in the future.

secrecy, faulty products, oppression, and lack of innovation and personal business connections will lead to either downfall, or cooperation.


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